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Last week I had a blast talking to founders and customer success leaders at an Atlanta Tech Village workshop. The topic? Customer success at startups, of course!
Read MoreLast week I had a blast talking to founders and customer success leaders at an Atlanta Tech Village workshop. The topic? Customer success at startups, of course!
Read MoreLast week I had a blast talking to founders and customer success leaders at an Atlanta Tech Village workshop.
The topic?
Customer success at startups, of course!
Want to get in on the fun? Here is the FULL SLIDE DECK with a bulleted summary below.
Not included: cheesy jokes and outstanding audience questions!
What tools, strategies, or systems work well for early customers? Any early stage customer challenges The O’Daily should cover?
Apparently when you get an MBA in pricing strategy and then do pricing strategy all day every day for multiple products, you know a thing or two. The final product was great, of course. But seeing their process was eye-opening too. Here’s how the pricing gurus at the world’s largest SaaS company conduct pricing research. (And how you can apply these techniques at your startup today!)
Read MoreWhen Pardot was acquired by Salesforce, we worked with Salesforce’s pricing strategy department to update our packages.
These folks knew their shit!
We were doing pretty well considering pricing wasn’t our day job. We had a strong foundation and we evolved our packages based on learnings and market shifts.
But nothing beats learning from experts.
Apparently when you get an MBA in pricing strategy and then do pricing strategy all day every day for multiple products, you know a thing or two.
The final product was great, of course. But seeing their process was eye-opening too.
Here’s how the pricing gurus at the world’s largest SaaS company conduct pricing research. (And how you can apply these techniques at your startup today!)
We gave the pricing strategy team a huge download of data:
They did fancy spreadsheet things to learn:
Sounds obvious in hindsight but with a small team of generalists (early stage startups don’t hire pricing strategists 😂), we were usually putting out fires or working off of good instincts.
Startup Tip: Thinking about a pricing revamp? Take a look at current customer usage data to spot trends and insights. Keep it lightweight or partner with a local MBA class that looks for “real” business projects to work on.
Bonus: Analyzing customer usage data can also provide roadmap guidance. What should you invest in? What should you end-of-life because no one uses? What could be a good path to upsells?
In addition to the data, the pricing strategy team gathered anecdotal info on:
This was particularly important because at this point, we didn’t have much feature differentiation between packages. We had 3 pricing tiers (mostly) based on usage amounts.
We needed info on what features could incentivize an upgrade.
Startup Tip: Gather info from the front lines especially if there are gaps in data. Pricing models include qualitative and quantitative input. Listen for what functionality is most valuable, not just “how much” something is being used.
Stalking, I mean, researching competitors is an area where we aligned with the top pricing strategists 😁
The pricing gurus collected this info, looked at it holistically, and used it to determine a competitive updated offering.
Startup Tip: Add two “Lost Deal” fields to your CRM - “Reason for Loss” and “Vendor Selected.” Same for customer attrition. It’s a light lift but invaluable data.
Skip the MBA and F500 acquisition. The O’Daily is here to cherry pick the low hanging pricing strategy fruit for you. 😉
These are relatively simple tactics that can provide big value today and long term.
Curious about the output of this research? Here’s the learnings from the final product.
What other research has honed your pricing strategy? Have you borrowed any big company strategies and applied them to your startup pricing?
When you have a chance to learn from the best, you do it! And when you have a chance to share these learnings on the O’Daily, you do it! Here are the top 4 lessons I learned from the world’s best software pricing strategists.
Read MoreWhen Pardot was acquired by Salesforce, we were fortunate to get the chance to work with some of the top pricing strategists in software!
We had a pretty solid pricing base:
But when you have a chance to learn from the best, you do it!
And when you have a chance to share these learnings on the O’Daily, you do it!
Here are the top 4 lessons I learned from the world’s best software pricing strategists.
The top mind-blowing lesson I learned from the pricing ninjas at Salesforce is this:
PUT THINGS PEOPLE WANT INTO HIGHER TIERS!! 🤯🤯🤯
Sounds obvious, right? Lord knows, we’re used to it in other areas.
Spotify’s paid version has 12 features I don’t care about. But I really, really, really like to download songs to my phone. Here’s $13/mo, you cagey Spotify pricing ninjas.
It’s brilliant. It’s annoying. It’s highly effective.
In Pardot Pricing v.1, we differentiated mostly on usage. If you sent a lot of emails or needed lots of forms, you’d be on the Enterprise Plan.
In Pardot Pricing v.Ninja, we included desirable, advanced functionality in higher tiers. So even if you didn’t send a high volume of emails, if you wanted specialized email testing, you’d move to a higher plan.
BOOM. More feature value at each pricing tier. Makes sense, right? You may even be asking, “Why didn’t those silly Pardashians do this earlier?”
Here’s the thing: you can’t do this on Day One. You literally don’t have enough features yet 😂
You also don’t know what people value most. Keep pricing simple while you focus on customer growth and adoption. Once you have good traction and a robust feature set, it’s time for this Jedi pricing move!
Startup Tip: As your company and the market matures, keep an eye out for ways to evolve your pricing that encourages meaningful differentiation between tiers. People understand and expect to pay more for additional value and advanced functionality.
As a scrappy, customer-focused startup, we honored all legacy pricing and packaging. We loved offering this and customers appreciated it.
It was also a huge mess behind the scenes!
What made it complicated:
Salesforce showed us a simpler way:
Instead of being on the $500 package from 2009, a customer would be on the 2015 package with a 50% discount. All of the customer service feels, none of the time-intensive administration or frustration.
Another way that also works:
Startup Tip: How can you keep pricing and packaging as simple as possible on the backend? Do you have any legacy plans that can convert to newer plans?
As part of the pricing revamp, we retired very small upgrade options.
We started these in the early days when upgrades of any size were exciting and worth it.
We were finally large enough that it didn’t make sense to do really small upgrades, especially since it was handled manually by a busy team. But we had done $50 upgrades for so long, we didn’t realize we had outgrown it!
The Salesforce pricing ninjas pointed out that customers could upgrade to the next tier or work within the limits.
It was a huge time savings that let teams focus on more strategic conversations and initiatives.
Startup Tip: Are there any pricing practices that you’ve outgrown or aren’t worth the effort?
If pricing gurus don’t raise prices, are they even pricing gurus??!!?? 🤔
When something increases the value of your offering – like the largest SaaS company in the world backing you – your price should go up!
Before Salesforce, we were usually 80-90% the cost of our larger competitors. After Salesforce, we were a large competitor. Our updated pricing reflected this.
Startup Tip: Be aware of market conditions, product development, or other factors that warrant a price increase. Regular price increases are an important part of company growth and value confirmation.
At Pardot, we learned from Salesforce, an enterprise software company 20 years ahead of us. It was a gift that accelerated our growth much faster than if we had learned it on our own.
Now, you have the cheat codes too! All the pricing knowledge of a F500 acquisition and top pricing strategy team in only 4 bullet points. 😉
Next week, we’ll dive into the pricing research and analysis that happened behind the scenes. The insights will be helpful now and lay a strong foundation for future optimization.
Savvy pricing is an important tool for growth. Small tweaks can make a big impact! 🚀
What pricing strategies have you learned from more experienced companies or teams? Any pricing changes that seemed obvious in hindsight?
Here is the real life pricing evolution of Pardot — as told by the pricing page archives — a B2B Saas company with explosive growth that is now part of Salesforce. I joined as employee #9 and launched and lead the Customer Success Management team. As CSMs, we were on the front lines of pricing, handling customer upgrades, renewals, and attrition. Join me for a trip down pricing memory lane with strategy, pros and cons, and the behind-the-scenes details.
Read MoreLast week, we talked about the 4 key components of your startup pricing strategy.
This week, we’ll see what pricing strategy looks like in a real startup.
Here is the real life pricing evolution of Pardot — as told by the pricing page archives — a B2B Saas company with explosive growth that is now part of Salesforce.
I joined as employee #9 and launched and lead the Customer Success Management team. As CSMs, we were on the front lines of pricing, handling customer upgrades, renewals, and attrition.
Join me for a trip down pricing memory lane with strategy, pros and cons, and the behind-the-scenes details.
We’re at 80 customers, 3 pricing tiers, and customers upgrade when they need more users.
“Available” broken image = ✅
See full February 2009 pricing page here.
Pricing v.1 works (among many other things like authentic demand and product market fit)! Pardot is growing quickly. Which leads us to Pricing v2…
We have a couple hundred customers now. We’re pricing primarily off of email usage (users are unlimited). The market is heating up. We’ve raised prices and offer an annual prepay discount in addition to monthly pricing.
“Available” broken image = ✅
See full March 2010 pricing page here.
Meanwhile, competitors are starting to charge on database size…
Pardot has been acquired by Exact Target! (Nine months later Exact Target will be acquired by Salesforce.) The customer count is around 4 digits. Selling into enterprise accounts has begun. Pricing scales to capture value (and budget) of larger accounts. It increased to match the current market rates and the product advancement. Way more product feature offerings than v.1!
And as predicted, we now price on database size instead of emails.
See full March 2013 pricing page here.
When Pardot was acquired by Salesforce, we worked with some of the top SaaS software pricing strategists in the world to further iterate on the pricing tiers and offering.
Stay tuned for the next installment of The O’Daily where we dive into the ultra-advanced, Navy Seal-esque learnings of pricing strategy at a F500 level!
Any great startup pricing case studies to share? Any fun screen grabs or stories from the pricing “early days” of a company’s history?
Startup pricing is both art and science. Many companies have 5, 10, even 20 iterations. As you grow, build out your offering, and the market develops, your pricing model will evolve. So where do you begin? What should you anchor on when thinking about the right pricing for your company, product, and market? Here are 4 key considerations to nail your startup pricing strategy!
Read MoreStartup pricing is both art and science. Many companies have 5, 10, even 20 iterations.
As you grow, build out your offering, and the market develops, your pricing model will evolve.
So where do you begin? What should you anchor on when thinking about the right pricing for your company, product, and market?
Here are 4 key considerations to nail your startup pricing strategy!
These principles will guide you on Day 1, Day 1000, and through all the pricing mistakes learnings along the way.
Imagine your largest customer is so happy they want to increase their usage by 10x. Yay! What would their total spend look like? What are the margins for you?
I heard this pricing framework recently and loved it!
IBM expects to pay $1 million for a B2B software. If IBM buys your product, how will they pay $1 million?
(Sorry, IBM. Secret’s out 😉)
Simplicity is hard but worth it. It’s better to leave a little money on the table than get bogged down with administration and management of complicated pricing. Simplicity speeds up the sales cycle too!
Here’s what you don’t want: a customer paying $100/mo with hosting fees of $1000/mo. Or customer paying $100/mo that needs 3 support reps to manage their tickets. Sooooo, yeah. Avoid stuff like that.
If you are on the forefront of innovation or creating a new market, it may help to align with an established budget item to start out.
We saw this at Pardot. Marketers understood “email marketing” costs before they had a “marketing automation” budget. To start, pricing was based around monthly emails sent, just like an email marketing tool.
Another great example comes from the world of robotic mowers. Lawn care companies are used to paying for workers during mowing season but not accustomed to paying for a year-round Saas software. Voila! The “robotic worker” line item that is billed during mowing season only.
Pricing is complicated and requires thoughtful tradeoffs and balance. There’s a reason large software companies have whole departments for pricing strategy!
The right pricing today will probably be wildly different than the right pricing next year. Like with all things at startups, pricing is a journey.
Test, learn, and improve as you go!
Think you’re the only startup with pricing growing pains? Fear not, my friend. Packaging and pricing at a startup is messy. Here are 6 true stories of pricing mixups, muddles, and missteps. I lived to tell the tales. And you will too.
Read MoreThink you’re the only startup with pricing growing pains? Fear not, my friend.
Packaging and pricing at a startup is messy.
Here are 6 true stories of pricing mixups, muddles, and missteps.
I lived to tell the tales. And you will too.
We rolled out a new feature that was only for clients on our highest pricing tier. **BUT** we didn’t have tech built to lock the feature down. So the next feature we rolled out was pricing tier feature enforcement. 😂
Silver lining – we had a few clients like the new feature so much, they upgraded to keep it.
We noticed a customer was getting quite a bit of functionality for a rather small price. After checking the contract, we understood why. There was a zero missing on the final price tag. 🤦♀️
Our process for making contracts was that a sales rep would copy a beautified Google Doc, adjust the pricing and package details, and send to the customer as a PDF.
I can’t imagine how a mistake could have happened! 🤔
NOTE: This is a totally legit, very common way to do contracts early on. It rarely makes sense to have a fancy automated contracting tool when you’re getting started or the sales team is <10 people.
Our pricing plans had usage limits…but no way to limit usage within the app.
Customers would go over their limit and we’d find out because they’d tell us or we’d manually check their account. Then we’d have a conversation and draw up paperwork for an upgrade that could be as small as a $10/mo.
Only much (much much) later did we add warning limits, minimum bundle amounts, and an in-app upgrade feature so customers could buy more on the fly.
We found out a customer was over their usage limits…because it crashed our app. ‘Nuff said.
We had a well-known, enterprise customer who wanted special pricing. Now, everyone knows that one-off, ad-hoc pricing is a huge no-no. Terrible idea, say the startup and pricing gurus. And yet, when the check is big enough…
Every month, we’d request a data pull from the engineering team, put it into a spreadsheet, do lots of math, make it beautiful, and send it to the customer.
BOOM. Technology at work 😉
NOTE: While one-off, manually-executed pricing is hilarious/terrible, it can be a legitimate way to test a new pricing model and make money while doing so. Just make sure it’s a test and not the new standard.
We had recently updated our pricing packages. A customer was increasing their usage and wanted to upgrade to the next package. Going through the upgrade process, the customer pointed out that it was cheaper to stay on their current package with add-ons than upgrade to the next tier.
Oops! Glad we had a customer who was good at math to point out that our new packages didn’t make sense. 🙃
These stories have a happy ending. The startups involved were not laid low by pricing snafus. They have all gone on to tremendous success.
Was it because of their perfect pricing strategy?
Ummmm. No comment. 😂
Was it because they moved fast, cared about their customers, solved a huge problem, and learned from their mistakes?
Most definitely.
Are you going through contract or packaging growing pains? Any hilarious pricing stories to share?
Today, I’m sharing another simple yet game changing concept from the brilliant Francis Cordón. It can (and should!) be used at any company stage. Your sales team will love it. Your customers will love it. It becomes a key metric for the customer success department. And you’ll know exactly where and when you’re delivering value to your customer.
Read MoreToday, I’m sharing another simple yet game changing concept from the brilliant Francis Cordón.
It can (and should!) be used at any company stage. Your sales team will love it. Your customers will love it. It becomes a key metric for the customer success department. And you’ll know exactly where and when you’re delivering value to your customer.
Behold…the Customer Win Slide!
Rigor is the OG of Customer Win Slides. Here are two examples.
Laudable does a super cool video-first, digital option with micro-testimonials on a landing page.
Work on your first Customer Win today! Here’s a Customer Win Slide Template to get you started.
Want more customer success genius from Francis Cordón? Find his customer success overview podcast here and detail on his North Star metric concept here.
Do you do Customer Win Slides? What other strategies have you used to identify and share the success of your customers?
The O’Daily has been dropping a lot of k-NO-wledge lately: how to decide if something is a yes or no and how to actually say no.
We saved the best for last. The pin-no-cle. Grand fi-no-le. A culmi-no-tion. (Ok, I’m done.)
Today we talk about how to say no to your boss…or anyone else who materially impacts your livelihood and well-being and you don’t want to piss off!
Your boss mentions a project, asks you to own something, sends over an event for you to attend. Everyone’s familiar with this scenario.
The reality is sometimes a direct “no” isn’t a good option. Here’s what I like to do instead.
Put this request in the context of the other work you’re doing help the company. Explain what you’re currently working on and ask how the new item compares to those items.
Ways To Say It:
Here are the top 3 items I’m working on right now.
List items + relevant dates. Explain why.
Where does <thing you just mentioned> land related to those?
You may find that your boss is brainstorming, thinking about something 6 months from now, or realizes this project is not important compared to other things you’re working on.
Or they may say that it’s the #1 priority. That’s cool. Proceed to Step 2…
A “time sensitive” request could mean minutes or weeks. A “report” could be a Google Doc or might be a polished slide deck with hours of research. Make sure you understand what your boss is thinking regarding the amount of work and when.
Ways To Say It:
How quickly do we need this?
Does next week work or do you need it sooner?
Will it include XYZ, only ABC, or something else?
Once you know the extent of the new priority, it’s time for Step 3…
Get super clear on what will not get done and get agreement from your boss on that plan. Including recommendations on how to rearrange can be helpful and show leadership.
Know your audience though. Some bosses do better with open ended questions and directly crafting the solution.
Ways To Say It:
I’ll push Project A to next week so we can tackle Project B this week - does that work?
Do you have thoughts on how to decrease Project C to keep it on time with the new items? One idea is XYZ.
How should we reprioritize things?
What should we cut? I’d recommend A or B. What do you think?
Your boss has helped you shape the new plan. No one ever had to no. You simply reprioritized, adjusted scope, and changed timelines. Woohoo!
If you consistently get wishy-washy answers like
Guess what? Your boss needs to work on their ability to say no! (Or not be a workaholic jerk.) They are not clear on priorities or unable to say no. The lack of focus is overflowing to you.
Is this an issue across the organization or unique to your boss? A one-time exception or ongoing problem? Analyze the situation to see if it’s something you can change, live with, or need to move on from.
Two common customer scenarios where you can discuss priorities instead of saying no:
Customers often have great ideas that you hadn’t considered. It’s also enlightening when talking about tradeoffs to find out what they don’t care about.
I’ve used this framework when I’ve bitten off too much and need an outside perspective to help me reign things in.
Can you look at this list of projects and share thoughts, based on what you see in the business, on what I can drop or move to next quarter?
Rigor CEO Craig Hyde could sort out in 10 minutes what I’d been agonizing over for a week.
Most startup CEOs and leaders are creative and ambitious, which leads to lots of ideas, projects, or improvements.
When you dig in with an organized, collaborative approach, it’s quick and painless to discern what matters. No “no” required!
I’ve used this technique successfully hundreds of times with leaders and CEOs and have encouraged my teams to use it with me.
How have you said no to a boss before? What has worked or not worked? Share your learnings!
Saying no is an incredibly important life and business skill. Once you decide whether or not to say no, the real test happens.
Read MoreSaying no is an incredibly important life and business skill. Once you decide whether or not to say no, the real test happens.
Can you follow through and communicate the no?!?
How do you say no without hurting someone’s feelings or burning a bridge??
Many a “no” has turned into a “yes” because someone would rather suffer through a pointless meeting than suffer through saying “no” to that meeting. The real cost is not a boring meeting but the time lost on your most important goals. Don’t let this be you!
Having the right tools is key. Specific phrases and strategies make it easier to consistently say no when you want to.
Here are 7 real life ways to say no from folks who know (and “no”). Copy, test, tweak, customize, and practice!
Adam Grant is one of my favorite thinkers and a truly generous human. Lots of great nuggets.
A positive way to say no is to suggest an option that’s easier for you or more scalable.
Examples:
(Adam Grant touches on this too!)
A classic article from Teju Ravilochan. (I’ve also used the “friendly nudge” suggestion and it works brilliantly.)
Be funny:
Dear Mr. Adams, Thanks for your letter inviting me to join the committee of the Arts and Sciences for Eisenhower.
I must decline, for secret reasons.
Sincerely, E.B. White.
Be kind and honest:
Thanks so much for reaching out, [name]. I appreciate what you’re trying to do. One of our core values is militant transparency, so I’ll be fully honest. At the moment, I want to whole heartedly give myself to our core priorities, involving getting our new Institutes up and running, growing our team, and raising capital. That means I’m choosing to decline a lot of conversations I’d otherwise like to have; so I won’t be able to prioritize hopping on the phone with you.
If there’s something quick I can help you with or if you have a specific question, do send me an email about it and I’ll be happy to get back to you!
My best, Teju
Check out the training deck with slides on common situations in the Customer Success Starter Pack.
Mo is a business development genius. I’m going to try his “quantify it” strategy starting today! He has lots of great content on productivity and goal setting too.
When someone sends me a great “no” email, I jot it down for R&D (ripoff & duplicate) purposes.
A few favorites:
Here’s how he practices what he preaches:
Thanks for the invitation, but I’ll have to decline [your request for an interview]. I’ve talked about Ben [Graham] on a number of occasions, so my appraisal of him is already out there for people to see. In addition, every interview I grant results in about 20 more requests. That’s a geometric progression that I have no inclination to foster.
BOOM. A great one to end one. It’s clear, charming, and saved Buffett hours of time now and in the future. Mastering “no” is a powerful way to stay focused and achieve your biggest goals.
Most people (including me) are continually honing their “saying no” skills. The first part of saying no is to decide if you should say no. Duh. But this can be agonizing, time consuming, and stressful if you’re not clear and prepared. Here are 10 simple frameworks and prompts to help you quickly arrive at a yes or no.
Read MoreSaying no is one of the most important skills of successful founders and leaders. It helps you focus, gives you time to execute, and preserves your energy and mental health.
Simple, right?
If only it was!
It’s hard to say no because:
Most people (including me) are continually honing their “saying no” skills.
The first part of saying no is to decide if you should say no. Duh.
But this can be agonizing, time consuming, and stressful if you’re not clear and prepared.
Here are 10 simple frameworks and prompts to help you quickly arrive at a yes or no.
A classic from Derek Sivers.
A great question from Mo Bunnell. It’s easy to say yes when things are far away. Force yourself to consider it’s true importance rather than mentally defer the decision.
He’s a pretty smart dude. 😉
Most of us want to say yes by default. Flip the script. The “yes” has to be carefully considered and truly earned.
Avoid the “shoulds” whenever you can! It’s true for networking and beyond.
Book time for priorities like reading, thinking, or long term projects. Put them on your calendar and make them non-negotiable. You’ll quickly see what you actually have time for.
A.T. Gimbel reminds us to think about the tradeoffs. Make it concrete by identifying the time you’ll spend, the dollars you won’t earn, or the other goals you’ll be letting go of by saying yes to the wrong thing.
Just because you have the time doesn’t mean you should. Don’t miss out something great that comes up because you’re too busy with “eh” commitments.
What you’re really doing is saying “yes” to something else that’s more important. Spell it out if you need to: “I’m not saying no to my friend. I’m saying yes to my family.”
Does your calendar match your stated priorities? You’ll likely spot items that should be dropped or delegated. Constant vigilance is required to avoid “yes” creep!
Once you have clarity on yes or no, it’s time to put it into action.
Yes is easy. Everyone loves to hear yes.
But how can you say no in a kind or motivating way that doesn’t burn bridges?
For more k-no-wledge, check out specific phrases to use when saying “no” and a 3 step process to say no to your boss!
What other frameworks or prompts have you found to be helpful when deciding yes or no??
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